Given the current trend with changes, basically they have been posting the changes, say give us feedback and just ignore it and go ahead with the changes regardless.

For the life of me, I do wonder why they even ask in the first place.

Though I would like to be hopeful that they will fix the b@stard child and the capital missile systems with this update or just buff the phoenix to compensate for the weapon system.

It just looks like everything that is a bit better than the rest will be nerfed, and one day we will fly in basically same ships in different skins.

The length of this thread proves that OP changes are long overdue.

Shouldn't boost moros that much in the first place.

Personally do approve careful small changes like this one.

I love when people plug ships into EFT and suddenly become an expert on a ship's effectiveness.

Good, at least then we get reliable numbers. We still have to interpret them correctly - after all, failure to understand what the numbers mean can lead to silly claims, such as citadel torps not doing full damage to a 60 m/s Aeon - but that's a separate issue. Now we have the numbers we can see that, if anything, this is a Moros range boost.

So if Dreads aren't supposed to take subcap fleets alone (i.e the blap Moros's that have been around), then why did all of these dread pilots become so elitist and think they should be able to 1 shot battleships?

-There was a broken mechanic along the lines of too high base tracking on XL guns which CCP is now reducing slightly.

This thread strikes me as a solution to dreads shooting sub caps but criteria are needed to shoot them with siege dreads:

1: The target has multiple target painters on it
2: The target is webed by multiple webs

Add into that people just love MWD's and you have a really nice situation of dread kills subs.


Solution:

Add the E-war penalties that the triage module gets to the siege module (E-war capacitor need bonus = 9,999,900% ) this prevents the dread doing one of or both the afore mentioned points farming them out to a supporting fleet.

Adjust siege module stats ( E.g. tracking speed bonus -15% scan resolution bonus - 80% / T2 siege tracking speed bonus -10% scan resolution bonus - 75% Damage multiplier bonus 800% ).

Increase the stacking penalties of damage and tracking modules.

Leave the X-L guns alone

An Aeon has to hit about 270m/s before it starts speed tanking citadel torp fire. That's absent links and stuff of course, but you're still looking at some extreme (for an Aeon) speed requirements.

I'm well aware as to what speed tanking a missile means. As (unlike so many others in this thread) you are evidently aware, you cannot just say "X ship moves at Y speed, the missile has Z explosion velocity, Y < Z, therefore massive drop in damage." Sig radius applies as well, increasing the actual speed required before damage mitigation occurs.

While (as smoking gun81 demonstrated) it's certainly possible to get a supercap moving that fast, I hope you'd agree it's not exactly normal.

Now, smaller capitals, carriers especially, can speed tank citadel torps, quite effectively in fact. Unfortunately, changing that simply by playing with the stats themselves would start to move us into territory where (aside from the really low missile velocity) Phoenixes could be considered be 'too good' at blapping subcaps...

Increase the cruise missile explosion velocity to around 45-50m/s, torps to about 30m/s. Increase cruise damage by 10%.

There are ways to stop blapping, and personally it's a love/hate for me. I like being able to do cap escalations, however to change mechanics to solve blapping you'll end up nerfing that as well.

It's simple enough to give a lock time penalty under siege to any ships that are subcaps, even as high as a 50% increase. This doesn't stop the ability to blap but it's just as effective as reducing the RoF without actually gimping the dread for its purpose.




The whole point of having 1mn/10mn/100mn was to prevent oversized prop mods on the ships. CCP just kinda derped and didn't actually put the restriction on ship class.

I see this being fixed sometime soon. Personally I'm not a fan of using oversized prop mods.

While we're at it:
- Small Turrets: frigates only
- Medium Turrets: cruiser and BC only
- Large Turrets: BS only
- Small booster/extender: frigate only
- medium booster/extender: cruiser only
- large booster/extender: BC only
- XL booster: BS only
- 50/100mm plate: frigate only
- 200/400mm plate: cruiser only
- 800mm plate: BC only
- 1600mm plate: BS only
- SAR: frigate only
- MAR: cruiser and BC only
- LAR: BS only
- Hybrids: Gallente ships only
- Missiles: Caldari ships only
- Projectiles: Minmatar ships only
- Lasers: Amarr ships only

Whee, this can be fun!

-Liang

You're the one suggesting that the fix for XL weapons is to start arbitrarily size restricting modules. Kindly go **** yourself.

-Liang

The whole "100mn cap" wasn't even a serious mention, you just took it and ran, raining sand from between your legs. It was made in jest.